I do too! But the difference is I honest-to-god love this game. I started playing at a time in my life when I felt like I needed an escape to get away from my dull, boring, abusive life. I fell into a good corp, made some good friends, even got some of my old UO pals off their old ICQ's and onto Teamspeak and flying spaceships with me! I fell in love with the "world", and so did they. I'm thrilled to say they still play to this day :)

Star Citizen doesn't have the dark, gritty dystopian ultra-future that Eve does.

I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.

But that's on an extreme. What's doing the most damage is just the general lack of empathy. Nobody cares anymore. It's all boiled down to "I WUNDR HOW GUD KILLMAIL IZ GUN B" to these cretins.

You should try reading his other posts, he's an egotist, self righteous, bigoted troll.

Have you never laughed at someone taking a pratfall or saying something stupid?

Never?

Really?

That's not what he said, it's not even within the same universe as what he asked.

You're trivialising cancer by comparing it to slipping on ice; cancer is a long term battle against a foul and underhanded disease that normally ends in an early death. Slipping on ice and ending up on your arse is a miniscule setback that doesn't normally end in a premature death. You really need to get a grip on the scale of misery involved.

You seem to have the same problem distinguishing between cancer and falling over as you do between what happens in game and real life.

Says the person who just rolled out a giant off topic rant about sov in the first place?

You're a hypocrite and a coward, plain and simple.

Care to explain? Or are you just trolling?

Telling someone that I believe they are a coward is not a personal attack.

Anslo is a coward. He's also a hypocrite for literally saying that an entire subset of players do not have any balls, while hiding behind his fleet to say so.

That's just a fact, like saying that Infinity Ziona is a liar. He is, unless pocos became sov assets in the last few weeks.

The funny thing is, that my daughter likes to sit on my lap when I'm on my suicide ganker character. She loves to watch as other ships blow up, her enthusiasm is hilarious.

As a parent as well, I think you're taking this a bit too far. She isn't part of this video game political war. Let's leave her out of it, okay?

Have some class, even if he brought her into it.

No, just a better gamer.

It's not my fault. It is what it is.

I was actually just editing my post when you guys responded.

Let's go ahead and document this ragequit as best as possible, you know, to um, make lots of people take your side. We'll need you to go ahead and provide a full account api so people know this isn't some "complex Erotica 1 scheme."

Okay, I stand corrected.

THIS is the stupidest post to ever appear on this forum.

Okay, I stand corrected.

THIS is the stupidest post to ever appear on this forum.

It's like a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica with the narrator saying "this has all happened before, and will happen again" lol.

Black Market. Check. Your move.

Show, sure. Didn't save the episode.

The Woman King. Checkmate.

No, that's just your prejudice speaking.

No.
You are an individual who has demonstrated that you approve of real-life harm coming to people who play games. That is pretty far removed from GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ and pretty close to needing serious medication and possibly incarceration.



EhmGǪ the whole point of the wardec is that they're no longer protected by CONCORD.

In response to someone wanting me GÇö the actual person GÇö dead, rather than ripping him a new one like any normal, well-adjusted, GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ person would do, you said: GÇ£I agree with your message [GǪ] It detracts from the validity of your stance when you allow yourself to become motivated with a negative intention. You have promise, your heart is in the right place.GÇ¥

Again: you said this to someone who wanted me dead; who wanted to see me violently murdered in real life. From that point on, nothing you say, have said, or ever will say holds any value whatsoever.

You are, in short, a sick, twisted, utterly despicable individual with no concept of reality, morality, or even of the very notion of empathy for human beings. You are a liar, a hypocrite, a bigot, an unabashed narcissist, and a troll. You need medication to fix whatever pathology it is you're suffering from and you need it soon.

Your posts lol

The same fodder you use.

@ Tippia - I dunno if I'd go so far to call him that. He's simply proven to either be a mediocre troll or exceptional idiot. Not quite sure which.

Actually, I am coming to the realization that Highsec rules actually are equivalent to gunfree zones, so is the idiotic limitation of weaponless mining/merchant vessels....

Concord, like the police warps in too late.

**** it all, turn everything into a PVP combat ship, and let's all move to Texas.

It is conceptually asinine to conceive of a Universe filled with as many dickheads as EVE and not imagine that every single ************ would be armed like Robocop.

"Hero" was pretty bad. Do you really think a black dude in a cylon prison for several years would still have such a fine perm?

this is about the single most vile thing i have had the displeasure of reading outside of Reddit.
seriously man, im not one with much of a moral code but you should be genuinely ashamed for that comment,
i am for being part of the same community that generated it.

edit: yeah i know im a little late to it but still.

Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry...

First of all. I am not your friend. I am not friends with people who are so socially twisted and selfish as to presume they have any mandate or prerogative to dictate to other people how they should live their autonomous lives.

Second of all, you don't have a right to not be humiliated for your mistakes. No such right exists.
Where did you get it into your head that such a right exists? Care to cite me a legal source that says so?

Do you even know what "slander" means?
"A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel."
It is VERBAL, as distinguished from libel, which is written. Which means NOTHING THAT IS WRITTEN can constitute slander.
So where is this verbal slander you refer to happening? In private 3rd party voice chats? Those are no business of CCPs, and being in those channels is entirely on your own responsibility and recognisance.

The law supercedes EVE. If someone violates the law, that is obviously an issue where another autonomous individuals rights have been breached by ANOTHER INDIVIDUALS ACTIONS, but NOT BY THAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS.

If someone is verbally speaking slander about your actual PERSON, then by all means, go ahead and report them to your local police.

CCP has absolutely zero responsibility for or control of what happens outside of the game.

Are you so juvenile or uneducated that you cannot distinguish the difference in definitions of these concepts and terms?

You are like a child talking about adult issues. You clearly have zero understand of what your rights actually are, and what those same rights actually are in others. Like a child whos idea of rights is limited to "i was nice and did as I was told to the best of my understanding, that means I now have the right to that piece of candy as a reward".

How exactly are peoples rights being violated ingame?
You say that There couldn't be more evidence of a premise"

Be specific.
Give me 3 examples.

This has what to do with a PvP internet spaceship game?

Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.

This, as written, I absolutely agree with. EVE is one of the very, very few MMOs that allows one to make a moral choice.

Of course that also means that peope can make choices you don't like;

miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'

You are a bad person.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity

Funny. Because I never said what is in your quotation. You did.

Thanks for failing again. +1 to me.

Keep digging yourself deeper.

You further prove your own moral and intellectual inferiority with every post.

So I guess everyone who shoots others in battlefield 4 are also bad people.

You do know that the most vile insults and threats come from bears right?

@Divine: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349408#post4349408

Missed your post.

Both of you would be within your rights to do so.

Whether I think your actions are "wrong" or not does not change that.
You are both responsible for your actions, as I would be for whatever action I take in response to it.

@ Divine:

Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly.

By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.

I'm sorry, kid. But you don't understand of what you speak.

Come back when you've read some Nietzsche, Plato, Sartre, Rand or infact when you've read the works of even one actual philosopher on the matters of ethics.

Discussing these matters with you reminds me of nothing so much as discussing with some stoned teenage mall rat emo who has not yet psychologically or socially matured to the level where he understands what personal responsibility is.

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

But in your case, I just take it to further evidence the brain of a parrot that repeats things without understanding them.

That didn't make any sense.

By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.

You are the one who brought into the conversation of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY worth considering which youve proven of screwing my wife.

Ergo you just proved that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it.

You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough.

I agree. The man didn't do anything but nail a woman. She was the one that cheated, so you should cut her genitals off and feed them to your dog. You should take the dude out and buy him a beer for showing you what a whorin' b**ch you married.

D. I., you need to stop answering trolls They-¦re wired differently. They -¦re moral pragmatists (which is a form of mild autism), is a consequence of their absence of empathy, which makes them see everything as a low-level conflictual situation in which one has to have the upper hand, since no universal truths are agreed upon.

And just as gankers/scammers etc use complex meta and corrupt communication to generate Schadenfreude, your textual exchanges with them are disharmonious and rife with dishonesty, basic sophistry, and false emotional appeals on their part. It-¦s absolutely pointless.

Are you an alt of those very people?

Children can not generally understand ethics and morality except at its very rudiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

I dont want to argue, I understand the gist of your comment.
Just saying.

Not everyone. Just you. And its not wisdom I said you lacked, but intellect.

And now you call everyone who disagrees with you, mentally ill, eh?
And everyone who has a different morality, bad people?

**** off already, kid. Go outside and play or something for once in your life before you become a complete lost case.

Well, I suppose I have to agree with that, but Salvos seems to be predisposed to, for whatever reason, to dealing with emotional crises by removing the genitalia of those who wrong him. While I cannot judge him, I must make an effort to point him at the correct target.

You misread me.

I said I would choose not do that if I was the person in the scenario he outlined.

Go back and see for yourself.

If you'd bother to read back to the posts quoted, you would see that they were talking about how not sleeping with a man's wife makes him a better man because he didn't do something bad, and the response was that not removing the first man's genitals and feeding them to a dog makes him a better man for not doing something even worse than the thing the first man did not do. At that point, I felt the need to mention that if someone does not sleep with your wife, you should not not remove his genitals, you should not remove your wife's genitals because she is the one who didn't commit infidelity, not the man.
See how confusing things get when you open your mouth without fully understanding a situation?

And?

I can consider far worse than that. I can conceive of so many sadistic tortures that it would take several volumes to outline.

But not acting on them is, again, what makes me the better man than you, in the contrived scenario you considered of your own volition where you imagine screwing my wife next to me in my own bed and asking me to join in.

Yeah. Your words.

I went right to that deliberately for purposes of illustrating my point in the example, that by the same logic he raised hiself up as a "better man", I can simply claim that there is an even more heinous act that I also then refrain from taking, which makes me then commensurately the even better man.

It may seem stupid, but so is his premise and logic, therefore so is this outcome.

Its not actually me in the example, you realise? Its not an actual event or situation. As such, there is no need for me to outline which laywer I would call to file divorce, what his number is, what socks I would put on as I leave the house, etc. Only purpose was to illustrate the flaw in his logic.

Because there's a minority of simpering fools that think Eve should be more like a generic themepark MMO

It's a minority.
It's a large minority.

FTFY

It's a competitive game, someone has to lose in order for someone to win.

Tell that to the dumb sh*t who lost 2600.00 to goons last week. I'd call that a Royal Flush wouldn't you?

Which part of competitive do you not understand? When you compete against someone else there is always a loser.

Nobody listens to CCP, we just make stuff up ourselves.

Do you understand the concept of being the victor in a competitive environment? Without a loser there is no winner.

How about you prove that it is possible to win in a competitive environment, without there being a loser too.

How could EVE ever be a cooperative game anyway without competition?
Cooperation against what? Sansha's Nation? Sure...

Please stop being a pedantic troll. It doesn't state anywhere in lifes terms and conditions that you'll be competing with other people for jobs, success, your home, your spouse, decent school places for your kids etc, but you are.

I don't think he means what you think he means

Even cooperating against Sanshas Nation in an incursion involves competition, such as who can gain the most LP, who can clear sites fastest etc.

Yes you can choose to play or work cooperatively with others, what you can't do is expect others to play or work cooperatively with you. This is as true in real life as it is in Eve.

Yes we're both making choices, no you don't get to judge others in real life because of the choices they make in a computer game, because a computer game is not real life.

No, there is a very real distinction between actions within a game and actions in real life. Shooting people in a game where the norm is to shoot people is not the same as shooting people in real life where doing so is considered, with notable exceptions, as a crime.

You really do believe in some utter bollocks, the over reaching morality of real life does not apply in a game where that overreaching morality is not the norm.

You can, as long as you keep it in the context of the game, the problem is that you're not keeping it in that context, you're taking your judgement and allowing it to colour your real life view of people.

My opinion doesn't involve painting people as "bad" because of their actions in a game, which very specifically is not real life.

Ummm in a healthy individual ingame and RL behaviour are decoupled. If they weren't I'd be wanting a selection of clones, a supercarrier sat in the garage next to my corpse collection and lasers that go pewpewpew.

I'm not trying to oppress your opinion, I'm merely pointing out the huge great holes in the logic behind it, as far as I'm concerned you can keep on spewing forth your ill considered thoughts as much as you like, and I will continue to point out the holes in them.

Wow, which particular orifice did this gem spring from?

My real life ethical standards apply to real life, where they are the norm. Context is everything, in the context of Eve my real life moral standards are a weakness, which others will exploit.

And this is where you go wrong, just because I'm willing to compromise my moral code in a virtual world, which by its very nature is not reality and where that code could be perceived as a weakness, does not mean I'm willing to compromise it within the real world.

In the real world I won't lie to you, steal from you, murder you, kick your dog, shoot your cat or any of the other things that are frowned upon, because it would be wrong to do so.

In an environment like Eve I will do all of the above to you if I feel the need to do so, because it isn't the real world.